Federal Lake City 556mm Xm193 55 Grain Review
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I would not buy XM193 for .80/rd. You tin can get information technology cheaper on the EE or Gunbroker. The Winchester is probably loaded at Lake City on the same machines that fabricated XM193. |
Posted: 8/26/2020 4:45:02 PM EDT |
Winchester, especially with that price difference. |
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Would depend on where the Winchester was made. The WMA headstamped stuff I have from 2017 and 2019 has poor quality control and is inconsistent. Had ane round noticeably weaker than the rest in a string of shots. This stuff has been relegated to practice-simply ammunition. |
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I've always plant Winchester to be less accurate than Federal, even back in the early 2000s. I long ago shot up what I had and never looked back. At present if y'all are looking for accurate practice ammo, either reload, or pick up some Geco 223 (NOT five.56) ammo; that stuff is pretty accurate. Though because information technology probably won't fragment it isn't a skillful choice for defense force. |
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If it'south Q3131 i'd grab it, otherwise Federal. |
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.82/round. Rape kit included? |
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Quoted: Rape kit included? Nope, just the whistle |
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Quoted: At present if you are looking for accurate practice ammo, either reload, or choice upward some Geco 223 (NOT 5.56) ammo; that stuff is pretty authentic. Though because information technology probably won't fragment information technology isn't a practiced choice for defense. Agreed, specially nigh the Geco 223 from a few years ago. |
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Quoted: Nope, just the whistle Quoted: Quoted: Rape kit included? Nope, just the whistle Shit is out of hand. |
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Cocky defense 193. But I would curl back the clock and buy it a year agone. |
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The problem with Winchester Q3131 is you never know what you lot are going to get. Non but lot to lot variations but twenty-four hours to day variations are all over the place. For instance yesterday was a warm and humid day hither in Mississippi. SMP735 powder charges on humid days are all over the palce. Velocity SD's will be awful but inside the very generous allowance of 35. Today a squeamish absurd low humidity solar day and things would mostly exist better. Of form this might exist the twenty-four hour period 1 of the presses is making bad bullets, or the loader operator (adjuster in Winchester parlance) might accept some of the crimp stations crimping the bullets then hard as to clogging the bullet, and some with barely whatsoever crimp at all. Michael |
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@mag410 I appreciate your direct insight. Equally a onetime QA tech, I'm curious what is behind the poor QC at Winchester. Aside from the weather every bit you accept mentioned, is information technology old machinery, poor training, low employee morale, direction pushing quantity over quality? Some of the WMA five.56 I have seen looks like it was made in a third world shithole mill... |
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Quoted: I appreciate your direct insight. Every bit a former QA tech, I'm curious what is backside the poor QC at Winchester. Aside from the conditions equally y'all have mentioned, is it onetime machinery, poor training, low employee morale, direction pushing quantity over quality? Some of the WMA 5.56 I accept seen looks similar it was made in a third globe shithole factory... Look effectually, that'south kinda where we are... Sad, indeed... Forrest |
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Quoted: Nope, simply the whistle Quoted: Quoted: Rape kit included? Nope, just the whistle |
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Quoted: I appreciate your direct insight. As a former QA tech, I'one thousand curious what is behind the poor QC at Winchester. Bated from the weather every bit you take mentioned, is information technology one-time machinery, poor training, low employee morale, management pushing quantity over quality? Some of the WMA five.56 I accept seen looks like it was made in a third world shithole manufacturing plant... All of the above. Winchester defines "quality" as product which tin be shipped. That means any product which meets the wide dimensional and ballistic specifications of SAAAMI specifications. At that place are no accuracy requirements in the SAAMI specifications. All accuracy specifications, other than authorities contracts, are internal and are frequently ignored. Ever wonder why .357 Sig accuracy sucks? Look upward the SAAMI spec bullets diameter for .357 Sig. .3555 -.0030" That means a bullet can be .3525 - .3555 diameter. Winchester routinely loads .353 bullets in in the .357 Sig. Why, considering it makes the manufacturing procedure easier with the bottle-necked Sig shell case. Michael |
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Quoted: Where would it exist marked every bit such? Locally I can get Winchester marked "v.56mm M193 55 GRAIN / 3180 FPS". |
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Quoted: Where would it be marked as such? Locally I can get Winchester marked "5.56mm M193 55 GRAIN / 3180 FPS". That's most likely Lake City production. Winchester runs LC now. |
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From my own personal experiences the Winchester 5.56 with the WMA headstamp was more accurate than the LC stuff, for 2014-2017 batches anyway. Happy with both, just the brass looks and feels improve for the WMA stamped stuff, and aye I know LC contumely is highly prized in the reloading customs (I used to reload) |
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Quoted: I recently scored a grand rounds of that Winchester and it's noticeably ameliorate looking than my Federal bulk batch I bought a few months ago. No dents on neck and casing that I saw and just really clean looking brass I've nevertheless to shoot whatever though... |
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Quoted: I recently scored a thou rounds of that Winchester and it'south noticeably meliorate looking than my Federal majority batch I bought a few months ago. No dents on neck and casing that I saw and just really clean looking brass I've yet to shoot any though... Good to hear, I oasis't opened any yet, will make it a indicate to do so. My big box sporting store (Academy) has been getting it pretty regular the final few weeks. |
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Glad to hear that too. Ordered some from 2A armament before the prices go even worse. I withal accept plenty effectually but I want to do some more steel ringing before the year is over. |
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Winchester lost the Lake City AAP contract because they could not meet the accuracy requirements of 4MOA from the M4 rifles. Winchester was getting nearly 8moa. The WWB/Q3131 is still getting effectually that iv-8moa range of accuracy, so don't expect a lot from it. Federal is much more than accurate and their five.56 pulls 2-3 moa consistently from M4s. |
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Quoted: And then does that mean Winchester is no longer running Lake City? |
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I'm possibly confused. I encounter a LOT of online ammo sellers ad this WWB 5.56 ammo every bit "Lake City," merely I don't encounter "Lake Metropolis" or the "M193" designation on there anywhere. Are these two different things? For what it's worth, I've shot nearly 500 hundred rounds of the ammo in this box (the box in these pictures) with zero issues and the aforementioned accuracy equally Federal LC M193. Primers are crimped. It does NOT say "LC" on the case head. Then is this ammo Lake Urban center, or non??? Does information technology really matter? One reason I'm asking is that I'm putting away a little actress ammo at present that it looks similar Biden's moving in. Federal LC M193 is pretty hard to discover, whereas this stuff is everywhere. https://world wide web.freedommunitions.com/winchester-5-56-mm-55gr-fmj.html https://www.natchezss.com/winchester-lake-city-rifle-ammunition-5-56mm-55gr-fmj-3270-fps-200-ct.html https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-lake-city-556mm-nato-55-gr-fmj-q3131l-p-107496.aspx |
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Quoted: https://world wide web.freedommunitions.com/winchester-v-56-mm-55gr-fmj.html https://world wide web.natchezss.com/winchester-lake-metropolis-rifle-armament-5-56mm-55gr-fmj-3270-fps-200-ct.html https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-lake-metropolis-556mm-nato-55-gr-fmj-q3131l-p-107496.aspx iirc, Federal took over at LC in October 2019. Where are you seeing the WWB "everywhere?" It'south sold out everywhere just similar all other ammo |
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Quoted: iirc, Federal took over at LC in October 2019. Where are you seeing the WWB "everywhere?" Information technology's sold out everywhere merely like all other ammo Actually, Winchester won the contract for Lake City in 2019 and took over officially in Oct 2020 on a 7 yr contract. |
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Quoted: Actually, Winchester won the contract for Lake Metropolis in 2019 and took over officially in Oct 2020 on a vii yr contract. Right. The current Winchester white box 5.56 is the exact same ammo as what was coming out of Lake Metropolis equally American Eagle in the past except for the headstamp. Same boxes with different graphics. Fifty-fifty has the same way lot number stickers on the inside flap of the 150 and 200 round cardboard boxes. |
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Quoted: Where are you lot getting that current run Winchester five.56 55gr is 4-8 MOA ? |
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Quoted: Where are yous getting that electric current run Winchester five.56 55gr is 4-8 MOA ? Quoted: Quoted: Where are y'all getting that electric current run Winchester five.56 55gr is 4-8 MOA ? Ditto; I'd like to see that answered. |
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Quoted: I approximate his post was an case of what Trump calls "fake news." No thing who's running the plant, building up stackable forts from dorsum during the years of salad buffets we had is really gratifying right at present. |
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i picked upwards a box of 150rds of Win m855 terminal tuesday, and love seeing LC on the headstamp lmfao. GTG |
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Quoted: Are y'all sure? My Winchester M193 definitely did NOT have a LC headstamp. |
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Quoted: My Winchester M193 definitely did NOT have a LC headstamp. Maybe they're not in runs of doing M193 however. What's the SKU on your M193-like ammo (if you nonetheless have the box) ? |
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Odd hearing all the bad reviews of Winchester Q3131. The stuff I got back in 2012, was some of the almost authentic I'd seen. Maintained 1.five MOA roughly out to 350 yards with a Rainier Arms mountain barrel with me shooting prone, front bipod, and a Burris MTAC one-4. (5.v" groups). I've got some current year production stuff, haven't had a take a chance to put it on paper however. |
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Quoted: I appreciate your straight insight. Every bit a former QA tech, I'm curious what is behind the poor QC at Winchester. Aside from the weather as you take mentioned, is it old machinery, poor training, depression employee morale, direction pushing quantity over quality? Some of the WMA 5.56 I have seen looks like it was made in a 3rd world shithole mill... even 3rd world shitholes accept put out some damn nice M-193 spec ammo. I've shot a ton of Guat, Malaysian, and SA and it was all pretty damn hot, the Malaysian was was the virtually accurate but the others were better then most people retrieve information technology is. At present Adcom..............yeeeeech! |
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I just bought 3 cases of Q3131. Information technology's at present Q3131KY. It is indeed headstamped LC 20. My lot numbers are WLC20L815-014. Attached pictures for proof. |
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Have not shot any for accuracy. However it functions fine and seems clean to me. |
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Not factoring in price — but personally I avoid all Winchester ammo. YMMV. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rape kit included? Nope, just the whistle |
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