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This episode focuses on Eva Hesse (1936–1970). Joining host Helen Molesworth are creative person Mary Weatherford and art historian Darby English. Hesse is 1 of the virtually influential artists of her generation, despite having a career that lasted only ten years. In a rare 1970 recording, made only a few months before her death, Hesse discusses the trajectory of her practice, her distinctive materials, and the meaning of fine art and life.
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Original interview: Cindy Nemser interview with Eva Hesse, January 20, 1970, D96, Cindy Nemser papers, 2013.M.21, Getty Research Found.
EVA HESSE: All I wanted was to notice my own scene, my own earth, my ain inner peace or inner turmoil; but I wanted it to be mine.
HELEN MOLESWORTH: This is Recording Artists, a podcast from the Getty dedicated to exploring art and artists through the archives of the Getty Research Institute. I'm your host Helen Molesworth.
In this season we focus on sound interviews with vi women artists whose lives span the twentieth century. These recordings were fabricated by the New York-based art critic Cindy Nemser and art historian Barbara Rose. Most of these interviews come up from the 1960s and '70s, in the midst of the civil rights motility and the feminist revolution. Hearing these artists in their own words talk virtually their work and about their experiences as women making art is a revelation.
This episode focuses on Eva Hesse. Cindy Nemser interviewed her in Jan, 1970. Hesse was 34 years sometime.
I asked artist Mary Weatherford and University of Chicago–based fine art historian Darby English to mind to these tapes with me. Mary's mixture of painting and sculpture stems straight from Hesse's work. And Darby is an art historian who pays close attention to language and description, especially when things are hard to describe.
Eva Hesse was one of the most innovative and beguiling artists of the twentieth century. She is the kind of artist other artists swoon over, the kind they steal from, re-create from, and learn from. Her ambitious body of sculpture has given several generations of artists the permission to experiment. During her lifetime she shared close friendships with her artist peers in 1960s New York—namely Sol LeWitt, Bob and Sylvia Mangold, and Mel Bochner. Hesse was too married to a young man creative person, the sculptor Tom Doyle. Given this I suspect she may have always been the kind of artist other artists admire.
Hesse's life story was marbled by tragedy. Born in 1936 in Hamburg, Germany, Eva and her older sister Helen were put on a children's train in 1938 in social club to escape Nazi aggression later Kristallnacht. Luckily, the children were reunited with their parents in Holland and the family was able to secure passage on a boat to America in 1939. Once in the United States, they became New Yorkers. The residual of her family—her grandparents on both sides, as well as aunts, uncles, and cousins—did not survive the Holocaust. When Eva'due south mother learned of the death of her parents in a concentration camp, she committed suicide. Eva was x years old.
By the age of xvi, Hesse was attention Pratt, already committed to beingness an artist. She didn't like the instruction and dropped out of school. Just two years later on she found herself enrolled at Cooper Matrimony, where she thrived, equally she did a few years later at Yale's legendary art schoolhouse under the tutelage of Joseph Albers. By 1960 she was an agile member of the downtown New York art scene. And she was married to a prominent member of that circle. Although Hesse is now the bigger name, at the time of their wedlock, Tom Doyle was the star in their artistic marriage. His reputation far outshone hers, a story typical for women artists of the period.
Her career would only last x years. In 1969, she was diagnosed with a encephalon tumor which took her life ane year later on. Cindy Nemser interviewed Hesse in January 1970, a few months after Hesse's operation and merely a few months before she would die. Nemser's tape is a rare recording of Hesse'south vox, quite perhaps the only one. Information technology's unclear how much each of them understood almost Hesse'southward prognosis. It'southward notable that this interview is 1 of Nemser'due south longest and even Hesse notices that Nemser is uncharacteristically sick at ease.
HESSE: Even y'all're nervous, your hand is shaking.
CINDY NEMSER: I am. I am. I'm very nervous. [she laughs] I really am.
MOLESWORTH: Was Nemser nervous because of Hesse's growing reputation? Or because she knew unconsciously (or non) that she needed to get as much down on tape every bit possible, that this interview needed to be good, because she might not get a 2nd crack at it?
Hesse says she feels tired several times during the interview, but Nemser doesn't stop until Hesse's third entreaty. I tin't say I arraign her. I've been in a similar state of affairs. It's a very ambivalent moment. Y'all know the person is ill and you both know and don't know that they might dice. You want to release them from the interview out of human compassion and yous desire to proceed going, because there is something gnawing at you to do so.
To my ear, Nemser sounds different in this interview than she does in the others. I got the sense that she is actually trying to keep Hesse on the line so to speak, to go along her talking despite her forgetfulness, her fatigue, and her somewhat circular approach to questions. And Hesse herself seems infused with a kind of pathos. When Nemser encourages Hesse to talk about the avoiding life span of some of her materials—she had been working in rubber and latex—Hesse seems aware of her mortality.
HESSE: I have this fractional thought nigh— It's not very clarified in my ain heed, maybe. And also interesting how life and art merges. Because I've been so sick, where I could've, you know, died all the time, that whole idea of art, making something last, is put in another position. And I'm not sure what I feel about it, if it matters. It probably shouldn't affair. But I'd like to attempt safety that will last. I retrieve I'm getting confused because it's two very, very different just big issues.
MOLESWORTH: Even though Hesse had a truncated career, her work nevertheless had distinct periods, during which she worked through similar problems in dissimilar materials. Her outset evidence in New York was of exuberantly colored drawings of arrows and geometrical shapes that skitter and dance around the page. Relatively soon after this exhibition, Hesse returned to Germany for the first time since leaving equally a child. Her and so-husband Tom Doyle had been invited past a German industrialist to come and fix a studio in a derelict textile factory. From beginning to finish the trip filled Hesse with neat apprehension. Even so, while in Germany, she developed a gear up of relief sculptures that used the detritus laying around the abandoned factory, namely left-over bits of hardware, and ropes and cords which she painted in meticulous colour gradations. These works moved some of her ideas from the realm of drawing into the infinite of sculpture.
HESSE: I started working in sculpture when we lived for a year and a one-half on an unusual kind of Renaissance patronage in Europe. I had a groovy bargain of difficulty with painting, and never with drawing. So I started working in relief. And the line, the ropes that now are so commonly used started by— The drawings became so linear. And I would vary the cords. And I would start with 3-dimensional boards, and I would build them out with papier-mâché or some kinds of soft materials. When I came dorsum to America, I varied the materials further. And then it only grew. And they came from the floor, the ceiling, or the walls. The— Then it just became whatever it became.
MOLESWORTH: Fifty-fifty though her utilise of cord was an extension of her linear drawings, the way she coiled and wrapped these cords led to biomorphic shapes that were highly suggestive of torso parts: breasts, eyes, and knees. All of a sudden, her work was neither drawing nor sculpture, but some sexy tactile situation in betwixt the two. This is why Mary Weatherford opted out of defining Hesse as a sculptor.
MARY WEATHERFORD: I think of her more every bit a maker. I mean, she's always called a sculptor. She did plenty of things that hang on the wall…
MOLESWORTH: And and then when you call Hesse a maker, what does that mean to you? What does the word maker exercise that gets you lot out of this puzzler of "is she a sculptor or is she a drawer or is she a painter?"
WEATHERFORD: I retrieve Hesse is creating a state of affairs in which I tin feel. So the work is there. I could touch information technology with my hands. She's making a situation in which I tin can feel something. Sometimes it's a box with tubes in it that looks similar an inside-out sea anemone, sort of. Sometimes it's some fiberglass things that hang on the wall in a series manner, that are each slightly dissimilar.
I find myself in a situation where I come up to something that Eva Hesse made, and information technology fires certain things in my encephalon that to me, are interesting and pleasurable.
MOLESWORTH: When Hesse returned to New York from Frg, minimalism was in full fever. Hesse, ever responsive to her environment, bled the color out of her work and made a set of graphite drawings of circles on graph paper. Highly repetitive and obsessive, they were her response to minimalism'southward elimination of color and reduction of course. Soon, however, she had a major quantum in both scale and textile. She seemed to seize on the pleasure noted past Weatherford and, in a manner that might be seen as combative to the high seriousness of minimalism, she deployed her deeply humorous and material-based sensibility to make 1 of the most beguiling objects of the twentieth century, Hang Up.
Hang Up, is widely considered one of Hesse'due south well-nigh important works, and is about always on view at the Art Establish of Chicago. When I am in Chicago, I always become visit information technology, and it has never failed to surprise me with its exuberant sense of joy. I asked Mary what she thinks of Hang Up:
WEATHERFORD: It's shocking.
MOLESWORTH: Why?
WEATHERFORD: In its ridiculousness. It's something that is equally if in a dream. It's something that'due south impossibly exaggerated.
And for people who haven't seen it, it'southward a large frame with an blithe line that comes out into the space of the viewer, blowing out into the space, and goes back into the frame. And so information technology has a kind of— the incommunicable animation that occurs in dreams, where you go, "Oh, my God, I dreamed I could wing." So y'all come effectually the corner and you see it—ah!—and there'southward a sort of surprise that happens.
MOLESWORTH: I asked fine art historian Darby English language if he could draw Hang Up from retention:
DARBY ENGLISH: Hang Up is a roughly five-and-a-half-foot foursquare construction, open up construction. Some armature—I forget the fabric—has been wrapped by Hesse in canvas. Padded first, to a depth of, I would say, three and a half inches; wrapped in canvas; and painted in grayscale all the style around. At roughly ten-xxx and five p.k. are ii holes, into which a large wire, near of a loop, have been inserted. It, also, is painted a gray or several grays from the same gradient that wraps what is basically an open stretcher bar. And the wall is visible through the open grade. So you're looking at a sculptural painting and a painted sculpture and a wall, and a very peculiar and delicate moment of contact between what hangs on the wall and the floor on which yous stand.
MOLESWORTH: What Darby is describing is a large frame that encloses an empty patch of wall, and a large loop that interrupts the space of the viewer, both wrapped and jump, painted in grey. The piece is both conceptually serious and spatially hilarious. I asked Darby what kind of story he thought Hesse was trying to tell.
English language: It is a colour story; it is a shape story; it is a format story; it is a medium story; it is a wall story; thereby, information technology is an institution story; it is a phenomenological story, because nosotros share the floor with Hang Up. And the work, thereby, takes part in the space that nosotros claim. And information technology is utterly formless.
MOLESWORTH: What do yous mean?
English: Actually, I mean that it'south imageless. I mean that it's an incredibly precise system of art gestures, which present no prototype at all. And the absence of image is every bit every bit palpable a presence as all the cloth factors that I merely described as comprehensively as I could.
MOLESWORTH: And now, let'due south heed to Hesse depict it, although the audio is a little hard to hear:
HESSE: This actually is an idea piece, I recall. It's very strong, and it's cool when you run into it. It's almost primitive in its construction. It's very naïve, in the way it's constructed, because I really did it[?]. But these words are wrong, I know, just I hateful, half the time, I have a kind of depth in me. And I don't always achieve. And that'southward the kind of depth or soul or absurdity or life or meaning, really, or intellect that I want to keep. And I think it'south a very honest piece.
It'due south likewise the farthermost— That'southward also why I like it and don't like it. It's so absurd to take out of that structure, this trivial thing come out here and there. And information technology comes out a lot. It'south similar 10 feet out or eleven feet out. Information technology's ridiculous. And it'due south the most ridiculous structure I think I've ever made, and that's why it'southward really good. I hateful, information technology's this ridiculous form coming out of nothing. And what's it coming out of? Information technology is coming out of something. And even so nothing. And there's this whole— this framing of it. And and then the whole thing's gradated. Oh, more absurdity.
MOLESWORTH: Hesse uses the discussion absurd 20-eight times in the grade of this interview, and six times in describing Hang Upwardly alone.
I asked Darby English language what he heard in Hesse's business relationship of Hang Up:
English language: And so much of what she is saying is tentative and unsure tonally. Just the words are very precise. The words are the words of someone who clearly has been speaking English in a very educated context for her entire life and knows that she'due south speaking equally an artist who made something, nearly the thing that she made. For all of the saying that she's doing, and for all the precision and the weight of the words that she's using, we don't really get much from her in the way of description. Nosotros get a lot of evocative language about how the attempt to make Hang Up looks in hindsight, and how you might feel when you expect at it. Cool is a discussion that's chosen willfully and used repeatedly.
MOLESWORTH: What's fascinating most Hesse and the discussion absurd is that she also uses it to draw her life. The tentativeness that Darby hears in Hesse'due south business relationship of Hang Upward is not the aforementioned as when she talks most the absurdity of her life, where her tone becomes more emphatic.
HESSE: My whole life has been absurd. Nil ever was normal. [she chuckles] The extreme traumas—personal, health, family, war, economy, wellness, sickness, to my art and my working at that place, school, my personal, friends—
That's simply in life. Then in art, it tin can't exist separated for me, because my life was then farthermost. Art existence the nearly important thing for me, rather than similar existence, staying alive. And I could never actually separate them. And they became close, enmeshed. And absurdity is the primal word.
MOLESWORTH: Throughout our chat, Darby oftentimes wanted to protect our interpretations of Hesse's work from the tragedy of her life. Basically, he didn't want her life to pathologize her art, a fate particularly available to women artists. And yet I even so wanted to know what he heard when Hesse described her life as cool.
ENGLISH: Cool. Valences of uncontrolled actions and their consequences, which is, of grade, a precipitant of hysteria, which is a quintessentially female domain in twentieth-century society.
Hesse both knows this and is smart nearly it, and is also someone who is honest nearly the fact that she has a life full of symptoms. And I think it must've been very hard to be smart and modernistic about this and really have a life total of symptoms.
It's like, yous don't just stop making things because there are as well many symptoms happening in your life. And you lot know, that's a— that's an absurdity, you know? Having to alive both. Having to live under a kind of symptomatic authorities and having to go on making your art no matter what, for every bit long as yous had.
MOLESWORTH: Office of what makes Hesse so extraordinary is that the art she produced in the face of the absurdity of her tragic life was never sentimental or hysterical. In other words, her work never seemed like a symptom of her tragedy.
The other thing Hesse'southward work shied away from was whatsoever participation in specific art movements. She wasn't concerned with the new pictorial linguistic communication of abstract expressionism or the sculptural grammar of minimalism. Instead, she was struggling to brand a new course and equally such the critics were stumped for language. One event of Hesse'due south innovations was that she made abstract work that seemed to teeter on the border of having explicit content, without ever quite going there.
Mind as Nemser struggles to define what's happening.
NEMSER: How practise the soft materials chronicle to the content of your work? Well, supposing we talk nigh the content before we become into the—
HESSE: Supposing you clarify what you hateful past content.
MOLESWORTH: Hesse's claiming to Nemser to ascertain what she means by content is typical of artists who work abstractly. They tend to be skeptical most the category. Hither's artist Mary Weatherford:
WEATHERFORD: Content, content. I really don't similar talking near content. I don't care almost content.
MOLESWORTH: Why non?
WEATHERFORD: I mean, I might regret saying this. I don't even know what content is in a painting. My God! Are you crazy? Like, what is the content of a Eva Hesse? Similar, the content is infinite. That's why information technology'due south a piece of art. And that content changes over fourth dimension, depending on the person who is experiencing it.
MOLESWORTH: In her interview with Hesse, Nemser pushes on and tries to clarify what she means about the content in Hesse's work, even though yous can feel her discomfort.
NEMSER: I notice that your work, information technology has to do with sexual impulses or organic feeling. I feel it's sort of anthropomophical. And I don't know if I said that right. But anyway, [she laughs] in any sense, I hateful, exercise you— Can you talk about that?
HESSE: I'll try. It's not a simple question for me. Showtime, when I work, it'due south only the abstract qualities that I'm really working with. Which is and then, say, the material form information technology's going to take and the size and the calibration and positioning, where information technology comes from, the ceiling or if it lies on the floor. However, I don't value the totality of the prototype on these abstract or aesthetic points. For me, it's a total image that has to do with me and life. Information technology can't be divorced, because equally an thought or composition or form, I don't believe art can be based on that. And so that it is inevitable that it is my life, my feeling, my thoughts. And they are very complex. I'm not a uncomplicated person. [Nemser: Of course.] And if I tin name content so, on that level, possibly it's the total absurdity of life.
MOLESWORTH: When I played this clip for Mary Weatherford, a native southern Californian, she started to chuckle, and I assumed it was nigh Hesse's utilise of the give-and-take "absurd." Information technology turns out I was wrong.
Why are you laughing?
WEATHERFORD: The accent. Her accent is so great. Aye.
MOLESWORTH: That'southward so funny. I don't fifty-fifty remember it'south that pronounced. Do you lot think I have a New York accent?
WEATHERFORD: Uh-huh.
MOLESWORTH: Regional differences bated, the question remains, how do we talk virtually the complication of Hesse'due south work? Nemser clearly feels a sexual pull, simply Hesse won't acknowledge information technology head on. Instead she insists upon the work's complexity and in doing so falls back on her word of choice, stating that the content of her work is quote "the full absurdity of life." This passage fabricated me wonder if, for Hesse, the body itself, with its needs for food, tenderness, and sex, is as well complex and cool. Certainly, in the days of minimalism'south ascetic surfaces and cool affect, there wasn't a lot of room to talk about the body and all of its vicissitudes. Just that didn't mean that the young artists looking at Hesse's work couldn't experience information technology.
Mary Weatherford:
WEATHERFORD: As a young woman, as a xix-year-old, I could empathise how the work was made, and it was incredibly sexual. I understood that. Then my trunk became more important. If I see some breasts on a wall with strings hanging out of them and I know a lot of money's been paid for it and people are writing about it, people are thinking about it, my breasts are more than important than they were five minutes agone. The sexuality of her work was incredibly important to me. And it was the affair that wasn't spoken about. It was there, in your face; but it was talked about equally if it were Sol LeWitt. And I loved that.
MOLESWORTH: Weatherford registers the importance of Hesse's introduction of the specifically female body—"some breasts on a wall"—and how that opens out onto the possibility of sexuality. When Mary says information technology was both in your face and something you didn't talk almost, that struck me equally analogous to the "problem" of beingness a woman artist—it both doesn't matter and it means everything at the same time. It's both in your face and y'all can't talk about it. 1 of the things I hear in this dorsum and forth over the problem of "content" is how difficult it is to balance the abstract qualities of Hesse'southward piece of work with how the work makes people feel, both in their bodies and in their minds. Hesse's work is often really sexy and really funny, simply when y'all try to explain why the effect starts to disappear. It'south similar to how when you brainstorm to recount a dream the images evaporate earlier you get the words out. I asked Darby English language how he navigates this quality of Hesse's work.
I mean, how practice y'all square the abstraction and the profound formal creativity of Hesse with this other kind of about bawdy sexuality that runs through her body of piece of work?
ENGLISH: Yep. I recollect I don't square it. I remember not squaring them is the strategy I become to for dealing with the, well, what do you telephone call this? Dealing with the conflict. It is a disharmonize, it's a paradox, it's all of the things that nosotros say to signify hard to figure out.
MOLESWORTH: This quality of the paradoxical or the conflictual seems completely germane to Hesse's arroyo. And it seems related to the trouble of being a woman and an artist. Hesse's desire to keep things abstract and have them exist sexy and bodily feels like ane of the ways she is managing the tension inherent in the phrase "woman creative person," where woman implies a gendered world and artist implies a earth free of gender'southward restrictions. Even in her well-nigh "abstract" works, similar her circle drawings, Hesse is playing with these central contradictions.
Mind every bit she struggles to talk almost what her work is doing or what it might mean—if it's abstruse or not, if it relates to gender or not, if it's about art or life or both.
HESSE: I recollect the circle was really very abstract. I could make up stories of what the circle ways to [inaudible] to human being, but I don't know if it was that conscious. I think it was a form, a vehicle. I don't think I had a sexual, I mean, or anthropomorphic or geometric or, you know— Information technology wasn't a breast and it wasn't a circle representing life and eternity. Peradventure on an unconscious level, simply that'due south so opposed to say it was an abstract, you know, life symbol or it was a geometric— There you have the two reverse— an opposition.
I was e'er aware that I would have gild versus chaos, stringy versus mass, huge versus small, and I would try to detect the most absurd opposites or extreme opposites. And I was always aware of their applesauce, and also their contradiction formally. And it was ever more than interesting than making something average, normal, right-sized, right proportion.
MOLESWORTH: Hesse's description of her own work hums with the force of opposition. And function of how Hesse's piece of work embodied this sense of opposition was through how handmade it was. At a time when much fine art had a sleek, hard-edged surface that masked the labor that made it, Hesse offered intensely handmade things. Mary Weatherford talked about how important this was for her as a young art educatee.
WEATHERFORD: I copied her work or made my version of her work for four years at school. Non exactly copying information technology, but wrapping things, dipping things, constructing things, sawing things, drilling things, hammering things, collecting things. Collecting twigs, cutting them into the aforementioned length, putting them in boxes. That, this was all I did for iv years.
I think the reason it's so compelling, was so compelling to young artists, is the manner it's made is so obvious. There's no mystery to it. If you lot looked at a Pollock—and I'thou trying to option something that you would think at that place's no mystery to it—but you become, "Yous endeavour and brand a Jackson Pollock." But exercise y'all know what? You could probably make yourself an Eva Hesse. Y'all could copy ane. Pretty close.
MOLESWORTH: Information technology strikes me that this as well is absurd in a manner, that the creative person so revered past other artists is an artist who ensures that her procedure is available for everyone to see. That the creative person then revered is the artist nigh easy to re-create. There's a vulnerability and a generosity in this. It's as if Hesse's commitment to showing you her cards upwards front is a class of radical honesty—honesty about how difficult and joyful life is, how abstract and tangible the world is, honesty most the ultimate fate of all things.
Throughout the interview, we've heard Hesse mistiness fine art and life. When pressed once again for how her materials might agree up over time she ultimately waxes existential.
HESSE: Because I'thou conflicted, because office of me feels it's superfluous. If I need a rubber to utilize, that's more of import. And life doesn't last, art doesn't last; it doesn't affair.
MOLESWORTH: "Life doesn't concluding, art doesn't last: it doesn't matter." This feels like it could exist cynical, merely in this idea, Hesse seems to find freedom. And the freedom she finds is the permission to use the materials she needs to utilise, to effigy out whatever trouble she has to solve. I started to get the sense in listening to Hesse that the studio was a identify where because life doesn't final and art doesn't last, she could do whatever she wanted, no matter what the effect was.
Curious nearly Hesse's sense of freedom, I asked Mary Weatherford what information technology is near fine art that feels so necessary for artists.
WEATHERFORD: It is something that has to be done. I've thought about this a lot. It's what I've found that—I don't want to say makes me happy, but information technology's what I need to do to live. My fourth dimension in the studio, my time with my paintings, information technology'south a place where I tin can fail. Information technology's a place where I tin succeed. I can prepare limits for myself, I tin take abroad those limits, I can heighten the bar, I can demand things of myself, I can let myself off the claw. So the procedure of making the work it's like life, only contained.
MOLESWORTH: This sense of permission to fail, permission to explore, permission to follow i's own questions is cardinal to Hesse's project. In the wake of peachy personal and historical tragedy she was brave plenty to get an creative person. She was brave plenty to strike out on her own to attempt and find a way to make objects that muddled the categories of painting, sculpture, and drawing in a way that conveyed the every bit blurred categories of art and life. And she was brave plenty to brand work that didn't look like anyone else'south.
HESSE: I know art history. I know what I believe in, I know where I come from or I'm related to or the piece of work that I've looked at that I'k actually personally convinced past and feel close to or connected with or fastened to. But I feel so strongly that the only art is the art of the artist personally. It'south truly, as much as possible, for themselves, by themselves. It'southward impossible to exist isolated completely. But my interest is in finding solely my own way.
MOLESWORTH: What does it mean to be an creative person and to want to become "solely your own way"? What does it mean to not be function of the movement of your peers? I find this particularly poignant given how many of her works are not in fact solitary, but are made out of the repetition of tens, if not hundreds of parts. She tended to make things that didn't stand up on their ain—they often had to be suspended from the ceiling or propped up on a wall or hung from a hook. Was her want to stand up apart, to be alone, also function of what was absurd for Hesse about life and art?
These questions reminded me of something else Darby English said about Hesse'southward use of the discussion absurd.
ENGLISH: No one feels absurd most the same things. The same thing never strikes everyone as absurd the same way. And that keeps the artist's soapbox well-nigh the affair as open as the thing itself. I think that'due south incredibly brilliant.
MOLESWORTH: I call back both Darby and Mary share this sense of Hesse'south work being open and multivalent, and it's a huge office of her importance for them. Her work is trying really hard to be as open up a field equally possible. Hesse's playing with materials and forms as well every bit the space of the studio and the museum. She'south courtship the ridiculous and the sexy as well as the fragile and the bound. She was trying to make piece of work that communicated her incredibly complex history and her everyday reality. She was trying to be one of the hardest things it is to be, an individual.
HESSE: All I wanted was to detect my own scene, my own world, my own inner peace or inner turmoil; but I wanted it to be mine.
MOLESWORTH: In keeping with Hesse's violent desire for independence I'd similar to close with her response to Cindy Nemser's questionnaire about the role of gender in art:
Thursday January 27
Dear Cindy,
The way to beat discrimination in art is by fine art. Excellence has no sex.
Eva
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